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		<title>By: Babar</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/11/08/valiant-lawyers-of-our-nation-we-salute-thee/comment-page-1/#comment-8792</link>
		<dc:creator>Babar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Fauzan, we want to respect our army as all proud nations do and not only soldiers but also competent generals too. But Army has to obey the constitution and perform their assigned duties to earn that respect. Its very simple. Ever wondered why the army in USA is not criticized, though the wars in vietnam and Iraq are? Because they just do what they are told to. I never criticized big bunglowes of Army officers as I beleive who else deserves high rewards than those who risk their lives. But the point is that it should be the nation allocating those high rewards for them ( and I would advocate even more than what they get right now) and not the army to decide what goes where, otherwise , sorry to be blunt , they give the impression of thugs, especialy since they are armed. Actually I am quite surprized  why the core commanders are not thinking about their respect in the current situation? Or is it that they are bound by the dicipline? But they have meetings, how can Musharraf ignore their dissent, if there were any?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Fauzan, we want to respect our army as all proud nations do and not only soldiers but also competent generals too. But Army has to obey the constitution and perform their assigned duties to earn that respect. Its very simple. Ever wondered why the army in USA is not criticized, though the wars in vietnam and Iraq are? Because they just do what they are told to. I never criticized big bunglowes of Army officers as I beleive who else deserves high rewards than those who risk their lives. But the point is that it should be the nation allocating those high rewards for them ( and I would advocate even more than what they get right now) and not the army to decide what goes where, otherwise , sorry to be blunt , they give the impression of thugs, especialy since they are armed. Actually I am quite surprized  why the core commanders are not thinking about their respect in the current situation? Or is it that they are bound by the dicipline? But they have meetings, how can Musharraf ignore their dissent, if there were any?</p>
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		<title>By: bluemax</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluemax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If lawyers are sincere this time around then they should first be honest with their clients. They should stop asking for bribes from both parties and stop requesting the judges for more time (read next PESHEE) to drag cases for years. And if there are only a few black sheeps in the lawyer community then the good ones should stand up against the bad ones. First fix yourself, then your community, then your country, and then the whole world. Not the other way round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If lawyers are sincere this time around then they should first be honest with their clients. They should stop asking for bribes from both parties and stop requesting the judges for more time (read next PESHEE) to drag cases for years. And if there are only a few black sheeps in the lawyer community then the good ones should stand up against the bad ones. First fix yourself, then your community, then your country, and then the whole world. Not the other way round.</p>
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		<title>By: Fauzan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fauzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neena, I would fully agree with you on this. I too believe that the Army is not there to run the civil govt and I gave the example of Gen Waheed Arshad to prove just that. Even if they have to come in to support the country in any form or manner, their tenure should be short and effective with focus on quick and smooth transition to a civil government. Unfortunately, there are still people who believe that the entire institution of Pakistan Armed Forces down to the very soldier is to blame for all this. It is to them that I request to broaden their horizon and see the big picture. I apologize if I misunderstood your premise per say :) 

At the end of the day, we ALL want Pakistan to prosper. We all want it to be a safe and secure homeland. We are going through a really crucial phase in the history of our nation and insha Allah, we ALL will see it through... one way or the other (Ameen).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neena, I would fully agree with you on this. I too believe that the Army is not there to run the civil govt and I gave the example of Gen Waheed Arshad to prove just that. Even if they have to come in to support the country in any form or manner, their tenure should be short and effective with focus on quick and smooth transition to a civil government. Unfortunately, there are still people who believe that the entire institution of Pakistan Armed Forces down to the very soldier is to blame for all this. It is to them that I request to broaden their horizon and see the big picture. I apologize if I misunderstood your premise per say :) </p>
<p>At the end of the day, we ALL want Pakistan to prosper. We all want it to be a safe and secure homeland. We are going through a really crucial phase in the history of our nation and insha Allah, we ALL will see it through&#8230; one way or the other (Ameen).</p>
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		<title>By: Neena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fauzan,

Who said Soldiers are responsible for this mess? It&#039;s the high command, the generals and majors. Who are taking over civil institutions and running them &lt;b&gt;ON DUTY&lt;/b&gt;. I can understand the greed is the major factor here, but come on how they can do two jobs at once. Of course, the result is they suck at their both jobs (one is duty and other is reward) just like the Mushie.

PS. It&#039;s giving Punjab a bad name as most officers happen to be from Punjab province. Iknow the difference but common men don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fauzan,</p>
<p>Who said Soldiers are responsible for this mess? It&#8217;s the high command, the generals and majors. Who are taking over civil institutions and running them <b>ON DUTY</b>. I can understand the greed is the major factor here, but come on how they can do two jobs at once. Of course, the result is they suck at their both jobs (one is duty and other is reward) just like the Mushie.</p>
<p>PS. It&#8217;s giving Punjab a bad name as most officers happen to be from Punjab province. Iknow the difference but common men don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Fauzan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fauzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Babar/Neena. I don&#039;t think I have been talking in circles at all. You have your point of view and I have mine and what I am glad to see more than any thing else is that we respect each others views :) Who is right and who is wrong is not as important as us all behaving as responsible and literate people. I would still maintain that the Army needs to be understood as not the one leading this Emergency but actually being &#039;used&#039; by certain factions to achieve their goals. Pakistan Army is not the first one to let terrorists slip through their borders my friends. It happens all around the world. True though that we have more to deal on our platter than probably any one else right now because we have threats from inside as well as outside. 

I&#039;d request once more to please not see the Pakistan Army as traitors and an incompetent force that needs to be dismantled. Do you know how our soldiers feel when they are touted as cowards and incompetent? Have you ever tried to take their interview instead? Not a general but a simple soldier? A contingent of them who have come back from Swat was in Chaklala Cantt last night and they had tears in their eyes. They had a set back with the order to move back and &#039;give&#039; ground to those militants. Couple that with the fact that the very people they were trying to protect (us all) are the one&#039;s who hate them more than the ones they are fighting. For God&#039;s sake, they are humans too... they are not invincible! Don&#039;t just see them in the light of an enforced emergency that has been put in to practice by a General that has over stayed his tenure as the Chief of Army Staff.

Why protest against the Emergency only? If you feel those militants in Swat are wrong then why not protest against them as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Babar/Neena. I don&#8217;t think I have been talking in circles at all. You have your point of view and I have mine and what I am glad to see more than any thing else is that we respect each others views :) Who is right and who is wrong is not as important as us all behaving as responsible and literate people. I would still maintain that the Army needs to be understood as not the one leading this Emergency but actually being &#8216;used&#8217; by certain factions to achieve their goals. Pakistan Army is not the first one to let terrorists slip through their borders my friends. It happens all around the world. True though that we have more to deal on our platter than probably any one else right now because we have threats from inside as well as outside. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d request once more to please not see the Pakistan Army as traitors and an incompetent force that needs to be dismantled. Do you know how our soldiers feel when they are touted as cowards and incompetent? Have you ever tried to take their interview instead? Not a general but a simple soldier? A contingent of them who have come back from Swat was in Chaklala Cantt last night and they had tears in their eyes. They had a set back with the order to move back and &#8216;give&#8217; ground to those militants. Couple that with the fact that the very people they were trying to protect (us all) are the one&#8217;s who hate them more than the ones they are fighting. For God&#8217;s sake, they are humans too&#8230; they are not invincible! Don&#8217;t just see them in the light of an enforced emergency that has been put in to practice by a General that has over stayed his tenure as the Chief of Army Staff.</p>
<p>Why protest against the Emergency only? If you feel those militants in Swat are wrong then why not protest against them as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Neena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yet after eight years in power with virtually no restraints, Pakistan&#039;s military has done little to quash discontent in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;In that time, domestic terrorism has increased. Foreign and homegrown jihadis flocked to sanctuaries in northwestern Pakistan, where al-Qaeda and a resurgent Taliban plot and prepare for a comeback.&lt;/i&gt; Read More &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=d79d0b84-bfb1-4803-9b31-dfbad81f161c&amp;k=53898&amp;p=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

BTW what brainless MMA is saying baout all this, they are as much responsible of this destruction than anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yet after eight years in power with virtually no restraints, Pakistan&#8217;s military has done little to quash discontent in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan.</i></p>
<p><i>In that time, domestic terrorism has increased. Foreign and homegrown jihadis flocked to sanctuaries in northwestern Pakistan, where al-Qaeda and a resurgent Taliban plot and prepare for a comeback.</i> Read More <a href="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=d79d0b84-bfb1-4803-9b31-dfbad81f161c&amp;k=53898&amp;p=1" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>BTW what brainless MMA is saying baout all this, they are as much responsible of this destruction than anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: babar</title>
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		<dc:creator>babar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fauzan
Or yet better the army should be dismantelled completely. Who needs an army sitting in the barraks waiting for the next qou. A totaly new force should be constituted which is completely under the civilian control and does not have such huge vested interests. 
Your concern for pulling the army out of this mess is well taken. But my concern is that people of Pakistan should decide which mess to send army in and which mess to pull it out from. Doesnt look like you still endorse this simple basic priciple. Somehoe you too beleive that Army is an independent player.
I know what I am talking about should be labelled as completely out of touch with ground realities but at times you just cant help but wish for the things to go the way they are meant to be.
Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fauzan<br />
Or yet better the army should be dismantelled completely. Who needs an army sitting in the barraks waiting for the next qou. A totaly new force should be constituted which is completely under the civilian control and does not have such huge vested interests.<br />
Your concern for pulling the army out of this mess is well taken. But my concern is that people of Pakistan should decide which mess to send army in and which mess to pull it out from. Doesnt look like you still endorse this simple basic priciple. Somehoe you too beleive that Army is an independent player.<br />
I know what I am talking about should be labelled as completely out of touch with ground realities but at times you just cant help but wish for the things to go the way they are meant to be.<br />
Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Neena</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/11/08/valiant-lawyers-of-our-nation-we-salute-thee/comment-page-1/#comment-8785</link>
		<dc:creator>Neena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serepticus,

Don&#039;t talk into circles - IF Army was protecting the borders we weren&#039;t having this problem but one person can&#039;t do two jobs. Our Army first lost half of the country and created Bangladesh and now they even can&#039;t control the areas between Afghanistan an Pakistan. About not protesting in Zia&#039;s time, I guess you were very young, people protested and there were public hangings and lashings. The hypocrite Zia sends his kids to the American schools and helped his family to be settled in the US and for his awam to dislearn everything besides killing, wow he really did give Islam a real boost.

BTW what is done is done now Musharaff was doing the good by modernizing the society but he need to come over the radicalized factor in the Army and likes of Ijaz ul Haq in his government who publicly said suicide bombing is service to Islam.

BTW Emergency was necessary to control these fanatics who are spreading to our cities. I too have reservations about these developements (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=79411&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pak flags removed from Taliban-held areas in Swat&lt;/a&gt;) and these things don&#039;r just happen in a day someone inside the government were backing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serepticus,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t talk into circles &#8211; IF Army was protecting the borders we weren&#8217;t having this problem but one person can&#8217;t do two jobs. Our Army first lost half of the country and created Bangladesh and now they even can&#8217;t control the areas between Afghanistan an Pakistan. About not protesting in Zia&#8217;s time, I guess you were very young, people protested and there were public hangings and lashings. The hypocrite Zia sends his kids to the American schools and helped his family to be settled in the US and for his awam to dislearn everything besides killing, wow he really did give Islam a real boost.</p>
<p>BTW what is done is done now Musharaff was doing the good by modernizing the society but he need to come over the radicalized factor in the Army and likes of Ijaz ul Haq in his government who publicly said suicide bombing is service to Islam.</p>
<p>BTW Emergency was necessary to control these fanatics who are spreading to our cities. I too have reservations about these developements (<a href="http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=79411" rel="nofollow">Pak flags removed from Taliban-held areas in Swat</a>) and these things don&#8217;r just happen in a day someone inside the government were backing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Adnan  Siddiqi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adnan  Siddiqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hasan Mobarak: Mian jab Away ka aawa he bigra huwa ho tu khali Lawyers per ungli uthana kahan ka insaaf hay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hasan Mobarak: Mian jab Away ka aawa he bigra huwa ho tu khali Lawyers per ungli uthana kahan ka insaaf hay?</p>
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		<title>By: Adnan  Siddiqi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adnan  Siddiqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Interesting FT&#039;s article on Army&#039;s credibility.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Interesting FT&#8217;s article on Army&#8217;s credibility.</p>
<p>tinyurl.com/3xmwhf</p>
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