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		<title>By: KAMI</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/11/16/too-little-too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-9120</link>
		<dc:creator>KAMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a fool surrounded by friends?
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/11/16/too-little-too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-9119</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks liken a lion surrounded by Jackals.</description>
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		<title>By: KAMI</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/11/16/too-little-too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-9118</link>
		<dc:creator>KAMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who can argue with the desire to reach for such noble values as free media, free judiciary and what not. But how to instill these values in a society which is basically feudal. The only safe course is economic expansion which results in strengthening of merchant / middle classes, which in turn inculcates these cherished values. I have said earlier that I have been actively associated with the left in the past, and I have seen the stalwarts take flight to the imperialist west, working in UN, BBC and various Human rights orgs and coming here and lecturing us on human rights.

What you are seeing now is for the first time flexing of muscle of the middle classes in Punjab, but still its tooo early for them to play a meaningful role by reaching the corridors of power. They not yet control any major political party nor do they have any of their own. Any disruption of economic activity, by ensuing chaos will weaken them and we will loose our youth to foreign lands, just like it happened in the past. If you remove Mush from the equation now you invite un-certainity, flight of capital and a risk of seizing of power by the religous right then you will be able to say good by to all your freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who can argue with the desire to reach for such noble values as free media, free judiciary and what not. But how to instill these values in a society which is basically feudal. The only safe course is economic expansion which results in strengthening of merchant / middle classes, which in turn inculcates these cherished values. I have said earlier that I have been actively associated with the left in the past, and I have seen the stalwarts take flight to the imperialist west, working in UN, BBC and various Human rights orgs and coming here and lecturing us on human rights.</p>
<p>What you are seeing now is for the first time flexing of muscle of the middle classes in Punjab, but still its tooo early for them to play a meaningful role by reaching the corridors of power. They not yet control any major political party nor do they have any of their own. Any disruption of economic activity, by ensuing chaos will weaken them and we will loose our youth to foreign lands, just like it happened in the past. If you remove Mush from the equation now you invite un-certainity, flight of capital and a risk of seizing of power by the religous right then you will be able to say good by to all your freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: exciton</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/11/16/too-little-too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-9117</link>
		<dc:creator>exciton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KAMI:

Since you appear to be supporting the endeavors of the Army General Staff, your knowledge of the history is either limited or largely distorted.

All those who are supporting the present Martial Law based upon yet another &quot;Necessity&quot; simply do not want to &quot;grow up&quot;. 

Nobody said that democracy, independence and self-rule is a cakewalk. 

The hypocritical irony is that we somehow display a colossal lacuna when the military dictators support the same evil &quot;feudal lords.&quot;

Please do not be confused by the current economic expansion as directly associated with Musharraf and his policies. That is not to say that he made all wrong/bad decisions. We should realize that the decision to go with American in a post-9/11 scenario was logical. 

However there are political considerations that were completely ignored causing greater problems in the past. Basically when the US asked him to bend over, he grabbed his ankles only too quickly.

However, this is not about that past 8-years. It is about now. It is about disrupting the democratic process. It is about not realizing when you have overstayed your welcome. It is about not realizing when the nation has moved on and is ready for the next evolutionary step in the democratic process. Musharraf&#039;s Martial Law has effectively reversed the evolutionary progress of the nation by subverting the independence of judiciary and freedom of the press. 

What people like yourself unfortunately do not realize or understand is that this disruption if allowed to stand basically means that there is no fundamental value of the independence of judiciary and freedom of press. And as our history proves, that is going to have very serious long term repercussion for the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KAMI:</p>
<p>Since you appear to be supporting the endeavors of the Army General Staff, your knowledge of the history is either limited or largely distorted.</p>
<p>All those who are supporting the present Martial Law based upon yet another &#8220;Necessity&#8221; simply do not want to &#8220;grow up&#8221;. </p>
<p>Nobody said that democracy, independence and self-rule is a cakewalk. </p>
<p>The hypocritical irony is that we somehow display a colossal lacuna when the military dictators support the same evil &#8220;feudal lords.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please do not be confused by the current economic expansion as directly associated with Musharraf and his policies. That is not to say that he made all wrong/bad decisions. We should realize that the decision to go with American in a post-9/11 scenario was logical. </p>
<p>However there are political considerations that were completely ignored causing greater problems in the past. Basically when the US asked him to bend over, he grabbed his ankles only too quickly.</p>
<p>However, this is not about that past 8-years. It is about now. It is about disrupting the democratic process. It is about not realizing when you have overstayed your welcome. It is about not realizing when the nation has moved on and is ready for the next evolutionary step in the democratic process. Musharraf&#8217;s Martial Law has effectively reversed the evolutionary progress of the nation by subverting the independence of judiciary and freedom of the press. </p>
<p>What people like yourself unfortunately do not realize or understand is that this disruption if allowed to stand basically means that there is no fundamental value of the independence of judiciary and freedom of press. And as our history proves, that is going to have very serious long term repercussion for the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: kads</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/11/16/too-little-too-late/comment-page-1/#comment-9116</link>
		<dc:creator>kads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done students of PU for standing up against the terrorist Jamiat and its actions against Imran. Keep it up and kick musharraf and his IJT out of the Uni.</description>
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		<title>By: KAMI</title>
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		<dc:creator>KAMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BABAR To answere your question is an emphatic NO. Theocratic ideocracy - rubbish and Imperialism, it is dyeing its own death, with knowledge based economies emerging in every nook and corner of the world, the centres of power are shifting dramatically, in fact the more time you spend on the roads demonstrating, the more breathing space you give to imperialism.

To come to the conclusion that the present ills prevalent in our are due to past ARMY GENERALS and the FEUDAl Jaunta - its not a rocket science. In fact this country was created to oblige the feudal servants of the British. That&#039;s the problem and that&#039;s the history. So whats the solution? Fight over non-issues? Chalk out new ideologies? Harbour international Terrorists? Or Blame America for our deficiencies? That&#039;s most convenient.

OR

You have a guy who has brought about fundamental changes in the way we think, the way we work, the way we study. Yes he is a General, but hasn&#039;t he rescued the nation from the economic and political hole it was in during the 90&#039;s. Hasn&#039;t he made some very tough decisions and stood by them. Hasn&#039;t he taken the democratic process forward with the lot that we send to the assemblies? Are we so impatient to trust him for couple of more months and go into new elections and send some better stuff to the parliament? Are we willing to throw away what we have achieved in the past eight years to legal wranglings / personal vendetta&#039;s? Are we willing to give our fate in the hands of the leaders who are under the illusion that peoples flood will follow them, instead they encounter famine? Cant we put our heads down and continue working for this country instead of committing Hara-kiri? Do we need to wash our dirty laundry in front of the whole world and turn away the good things that are coming our way, like investment, outsourcing, technology and the lot that will provide opportunities to our youth instead of danday and khawaree on the roads?

Sorry, if I got emotional, but I have seen in my student days youth losing precious lives, wasting time chanting emotionally charged slogans, following charismatic leaders and left with nothing but betrayal. The whole left inspired by Faiz is now living in the west, working in imperialistic institutions or UN organizations enjoying free travel and board. While the religious right has degenerated to the degree that it is blowing itself up.
I had totally given up on Pakistan in the 90&#039;s and converted little savings that I had into dollars, but in the past 8 years I saw hope again, and in the aftermath of the earthquake I realized that this nation can still work together to achieve monumental heights, this it did without the help of the crooked politicians and slogan mongers. The question is why give it all up now and embrace chaos?

P.S. Abut Imran Khan I have said earlier that I had great expectations from him, but was forced to give up on him when he embraced Hameed Gul, he is lost and confused like a Patriot missile gone stray which can be more lethal than an incoming Scud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BABAR To answere your question is an emphatic NO. Theocratic ideocracy &#8211; rubbish and Imperialism, it is dyeing its own death, with knowledge based economies emerging in every nook and corner of the world, the centres of power are shifting dramatically, in fact the more time you spend on the roads demonstrating, the more breathing space you give to imperialism.</p>
<p>To come to the conclusion that the present ills prevalent in our are due to past ARMY GENERALS and the FEUDAl Jaunta &#8211; its not a rocket science. In fact this country was created to oblige the feudal servants of the British. That&#8217;s the problem and that&#8217;s the history. So whats the solution? Fight over non-issues? Chalk out new ideologies? Harbour international Terrorists? Or Blame America for our deficiencies? That&#8217;s most convenient.</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>You have a guy who has brought about fundamental changes in the way we think, the way we work, the way we study. Yes he is a General, but hasn&#8217;t he rescued the nation from the economic and political hole it was in during the 90&#8242;s. Hasn&#8217;t he made some very tough decisions and stood by them. Hasn&#8217;t he taken the democratic process forward with the lot that we send to the assemblies? Are we so impatient to trust him for couple of more months and go into new elections and send some better stuff to the parliament? Are we willing to throw away what we have achieved in the past eight years to legal wranglings / personal vendetta&#8217;s? Are we willing to give our fate in the hands of the leaders who are under the illusion that peoples flood will follow them, instead they encounter famine? Cant we put our heads down and continue working for this country instead of committing Hara-kiri? Do we need to wash our dirty laundry in front of the whole world and turn away the good things that are coming our way, like investment, outsourcing, technology and the lot that will provide opportunities to our youth instead of danday and khawaree on the roads?</p>
<p>Sorry, if I got emotional, but I have seen in my student days youth losing precious lives, wasting time chanting emotionally charged slogans, following charismatic leaders and left with nothing but betrayal. The whole left inspired by Faiz is now living in the west, working in imperialistic institutions or UN organizations enjoying free travel and board. While the religious right has degenerated to the degree that it is blowing itself up.<br />
I had totally given up on Pakistan in the 90&#8242;s and converted little savings that I had into dollars, but in the past 8 years I saw hope again, and in the aftermath of the earthquake I realized that this nation can still work together to achieve monumental heights, this it did without the help of the crooked politicians and slogan mongers. The question is why give it all up now and embrace chaos?</p>
<p>P.S. Abut Imran Khan I have said earlier that I had great expectations from him, but was forced to give up on him when he embraced Hameed Gul, he is lost and confused like a Patriot missile gone stray which can be more lethal than an incoming Scud.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not the way he deserved to be treated. He has been a voice which has always fought for decency and justice. He could have led an easy life yet choose to help Paksitan when he came into politics. Protest and demand his release! Free Imran Khan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not the way he deserved to be treated. He has been a voice which has always fought for decency and justice. He could have led an easy life yet choose to help Paksitan when he came into politics. Protest and demand his release! Free Imran Khan!</p>
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		<title>By: asa</title>
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		<dc:creator>asa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kami u really make no sense regardless of Ik join hand with JI or not ....government has no right to arrested Ik sister whatever ur political difference with IK but does it make right to arrest Ik sister??

Down with dictator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kami u really make no sense regardless of Ik join hand with JI or not &#8230;.government has no right to arrested Ik sister whatever ur political difference with IK but does it make right to arrest Ik sister??</p>
<p>Down with dictator</p>
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		<title>By: Saima Nasir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saima Nasir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We as a nation have always failed honest and righteous men with our cowardice and compromises....Imran khan is paying for being born into and working for a country which is full of hypocrites, back stabbers and betrayers.

A man with High Self-Esteem can never lead a nation of slaves......he unlike our other psuedo leaders never licked the foreign master&#039;s feet....he looked them into the eye and made sure was treated like an equal.....he is not a politician but a guy who sincerely wants to turn the fortune of the people of Pakistan around and thats how we treat him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We as a nation have always failed honest and righteous men with our cowardice and compromises&#8230;.Imran khan is paying for being born into and working for a country which is full of hypocrites, back stabbers and betrayers.</p>
<p>A man with High Self-Esteem can never lead a nation of slaves&#8230;&#8230;he unlike our other psuedo leaders never licked the foreign master&#8217;s feet&#8230;.he looked them into the eye and made sure was treated like an equal&#8230;..he is not a politician but a guy who sincerely wants to turn the fortune of the people of Pakistan around and thats how we treat him!</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OTMmscbtfQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OTMmscbtfQ&lt;/a&gt;

link to video that shows his family protesting</description>
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<p>link to video that shows his family protesting</p>
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