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		<title>By: sanjai07</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2008/12/28/pakistan-and-india/comment-page-1/#comment-12080</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@momekh:
My accusation does not sound absurd. If it is true that attack was carried by Pakistans with training received on Pakistan soil, the Pakistan govt. should go all out to shut down this terror infrastrucure. It is of course the Pakistan govts fault that they are not doing ANYTHING to shut this terror infrastructure. 


You guys look at it with tainted glasses, but the truth is terror is a Pakistani export. Sane Pakistanis understand that this will someday come come back to haunt them, but powers that be consider it a valid part of strategy. 

BTW I never said war is an option. Please read the post carefully next time.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@momekh:<br />
My accusation does not sound absurd. If it is true that attack was carried by Pakistans with training received on Pakistan soil, the Pakistan govt. should go all out to shut down this terror infrastrucure. It is of course the Pakistan govts fault that they are not doing ANYTHING to shut this terror infrastructure. </p>
<p>You guys look at it with tainted glasses, but the truth is terror is a Pakistani export. Sane Pakistanis understand that this will someday come come back to haunt them, but powers that be consider it a valid part of strategy. </p>
<p>BTW I never said war is an option. Please read the post carefully next time.</p>
<p>Peace be to all</p>
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		<title>By: momekh</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2008/12/28/pakistan-and-india/comment-page-1/#comment-12074</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sanjai07: I really do not know what difference would this make to anything really. If Kasab is Pakistani, this means that Pakistani government is at fault? Attack Pakistan? 
I request you to ask yourself, &#039;who benefits from a terrorist-stricken Pakistan?&#039;, &#039;why would Pakistan, if they &#039;export&#039; terrorists, let them lose on their on land?&#039; and you will see how absurd your accusation will sound to yourself.
God bless and peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sanjai07: I really do not know what difference would this make to anything really. If Kasab is Pakistani, this means that Pakistani government is at fault? Attack Pakistan?<br />
I request you to ask yourself, &#8216;who benefits from a terrorist-stricken Pakistan?&#8217;, &#8216;why would Pakistan, if they &#8216;export&#8217; terrorists, let them lose on their on land?&#8217; and you will see how absurd your accusation will sound to yourself.<br />
God bless and peace</p>
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		<title>By: sanjai07</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2008/12/28/pakistan-and-india/comment-page-1/#comment-12066</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that Pakistan has admitted that Kasab is their national, I wonder what the author of this board will comment.

Terrorism is the number 1 export of Pakistan to the world. Wake up and get real. The earlier you recognize this the better it is for you and the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that Pakistan has admitted that Kasab is their national, I wonder what the author of this board will comment.</p>
<p>Terrorism is the number 1 export of Pakistan to the world. Wake up and get real. The earlier you recognize this the better it is for you and the world.</p>
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		<title>By: azface</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for the mispellings in my previous post. It was written and posted via my phone.

One worth pointing out is...

Drought = Fraught

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the mispellings in my previous post. It was written and posted via my phone.</p>
<p>One worth pointing out is&#8230;</p>
<p>Drought = Fraught</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: azface</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wkhang

Just because kaami has the insight and guts to call a spade a spade doesn&#039;t imply that we are Indian sympathisers. As I&#039;ve alludded to in my previous posts, there are too many preconceived notions in our youth which cast a veil over our eyes. We need to dispel conspiracy theories and try to dig for the truth. It takes real courage to say what kaami said...

Sometimes truth hurts my friend. Bug the first step to recovery is admitting there is a problem.

Kaami, well done on another well thought out rebuttle. In my view, Pakistan&#039;s handling of the whole situation has been drought with inconsistencies and political u-turns. We went from cooperation to war mongering back to playing peace keeper. The other party kept to it&#039;s stance of pausing peace process unless Pakistan stops letting it&#039;s land being usedfor attacks on innocent civilians in India. If I&#039;m not mistaken, this doesn&#039;t seem to be an unreasonable demand. Our leadership lacks the insight, vision and courage to come up with something as coherent as that. Regardless of whoever carried out the Mumbai attacks, there us sn urgent need to get our house in
order which means...

1. Govt to gain control of the whole of Pakistan
2. Army to report to Govt instead of the other way round
3. ISI&#039;s plans and objectives need to more transparent I.e. Needs to be some accountability in front of parliament
4. An urgent need to kick off social, economic, political, education and religious reforms. Without this effort, we will keep finding ourselves in the desperate situation we are in now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wkhang</p>
<p>Just because kaami has the insight and guts to call a spade a spade doesn&#8217;t imply that we are Indian sympathisers. As I&#8217;ve alludded to in my previous posts, there are too many preconceived notions in our youth which cast a veil over our eyes. We need to dispel conspiracy theories and try to dig for the truth. It takes real courage to say what kaami said&#8230;</p>
<p>Sometimes truth hurts my friend. Bug the first step to recovery is admitting there is a problem.</p>
<p>Kaami, well done on another well thought out rebuttle. In my view, Pakistan&#8217;s handling of the whole situation has been drought with inconsistencies and political u-turns. We went from cooperation to war mongering back to playing peace keeper. The other party kept to it&#8217;s stance of pausing peace process unless Pakistan stops letting it&#8217;s land being usedfor attacks on innocent civilians in India. If I&#8217;m not mistaken, this doesn&#8217;t seem to be an unreasonable demand. Our leadership lacks the insight, vision and courage to come up with something as coherent as that. Regardless of whoever carried out the Mumbai attacks, there us sn urgent need to get our house in<br />
order which means&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Govt to gain control of the whole of Pakistan<br />
2. Army to report to Govt instead of the other way round<br />
3. ISI&#8217;s plans and objectives need to more transparent I.e. Needs to be some accountability in front of parliament<br />
4. An urgent need to kick off social, economic, political, education and religious reforms. Without this effort, we will keep finding ourselves in the desperate situation we are in now</p>
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		<title>By: wkhang</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qurban teray India ke terf dary per : /, Jany issue was Pakistan and India, your bend is towards India, thats why I came with that reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qurban teray India ke terf dary per : /, Jany issue was Pakistan and India, your bend is towards India, thats why I came with that reply.</p>
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		<title>By: kaami</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2008/12/28/pakistan-and-india/comment-page-1/#comment-12006</link>
		<dc:creator>kaami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wkhang: Qurbaan teri saadgee pe. 

First of all I am 100% percent born and bred Pakistani. I never doubt anybody&#039;s patriotism and never allow anybody to doubt mine. However, it so happened that lately I have choosen to be deliberately blunt and incisive. That is because rightly or wrongly I feel that time for sugar coated commentary on the current state of affairs of my beloved country is over. This nation, especially its net surfing youth need a strong dose of &quot;reality checks&quot; that will force them to come out of the cocoons they were born in and discover the truth about themselves and their country.

Dear wkhang, when articulating various shining attributes of our nation you unfortunately, sounded like a sales representative for a security guard company with clients through out the middle east. Its a delima of a generation that they cant even re-call the contributions various Pakistani&#039;s have made towards human development. Indeed we can be proud of:

1/ Dr. Abdus Salam (Noble Laureate)
2/ Akhter Hameed Khan (Introduced the concept of Micro financing, which became the foundation of Gramine Bank of Bangladesh)
3/ Dr. Saleem-uz-zamaan Siddidui (Ground breaking researcher in organic chemistry)
4/ Saifi Qureshi ( Founder of AST computers - one of the PC pioneers )
5/ Great Painters like Sadequain &amp; Chughtai.
6/ Poets like Faiz, Faraz, Munir Niazi, Josh, Habib Jalib, Ahmed Nademm Qasmi etc.
7/ Singers like, Rashan Ara Begum, Noor Jehan, Mehdi Hasan, Reshman, Iqbal Bano, Inayat Hussain Bhatti, Pathanay Khan etc.
8/ Dancers like Naheed Siddiqui.
9/ TV pioneers like Aslam Azhar, Zia Mohyuddin, Shujaat Hashmee, Ishfaq Ahmed, Anwer Sajjaad and the lot.

And the list goes on ........

Now dont you feel that we have some how stopped producing such personalities and if they are out there nobody is able to appreciate their talents. How come the name of Pakistan has become synonymous to terrorism. How come nobody knows that we can write books, do research, sing, dance and contribute to the human heritage.

My friend, nobody is to blame but us. We have forgotten that we are the custodian of 5000 years of heritage buried in the ruins of Moen-jo-Daro and Harrappa. The very word &quot;India&quot; derives its origins from Indus, the river that is the life line of this country. 

So don&#039;t you forget what you are and don&#039;t try to become what you are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wkhang: Qurbaan teri saadgee pe. </p>
<p>First of all I am 100% percent born and bred Pakistani. I never doubt anybody&#8217;s patriotism and never allow anybody to doubt mine. However, it so happened that lately I have choosen to be deliberately blunt and incisive. That is because rightly or wrongly I feel that time for sugar coated commentary on the current state of affairs of my beloved country is over. This nation, especially its net surfing youth need a strong dose of &quot;reality checks&quot; that will force them to come out of the cocoons they were born in and discover the truth about themselves and their country.</p>
<p>Dear wkhang, when articulating various shining attributes of our nation you unfortunately, sounded like a sales representative for a security guard company with clients through out the middle east. Its a delima of a generation that they cant even re-call the contributions various Pakistani&#8217;s have made towards human development. Indeed we can be proud of:</p>
<p>1/ Dr. Abdus Salam (Noble Laureate)<br />
2/ Akhter Hameed Khan (Introduced the concept of Micro financing, which became the foundation of Gramine Bank of Bangladesh)<br />
3/ Dr. Saleem-uz-zamaan Siddidui (Ground breaking researcher in organic chemistry)<br />
4/ Saifi Qureshi ( Founder of AST computers &#8211; one of the PC pioneers )<br />
5/ Great Painters like Sadequain &amp; Chughtai.<br />
6/ Poets like Faiz, Faraz, Munir Niazi, Josh, Habib Jalib, Ahmed Nademm Qasmi etc.<br />
7/ Singers like, Rashan Ara Begum, Noor Jehan, Mehdi Hasan, Reshman, Iqbal Bano, Inayat Hussain Bhatti, Pathanay Khan etc.<br />
8/ Dancers like Naheed Siddiqui.<br />
9/ TV pioneers like Aslam Azhar, Zia Mohyuddin, Shujaat Hashmee, Ishfaq Ahmed, Anwer Sajjaad and the lot.</p>
<p>And the list goes on &#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Now dont you feel that we have some how stopped producing such personalities and if they are out there nobody is able to appreciate their talents. How come the name of Pakistan has become synonymous to terrorism. How come nobody knows that we can write books, do research, sing, dance and contribute to the human heritage.</p>
<p>My friend, nobody is to blame but us. We have forgotten that we are the custodian of 5000 years of heritage buried in the ruins of Moen-jo-Daro and Harrappa. The very word &quot;India&quot; derives its origins from Indus, the river that is the life line of this country. </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t you forget what you are and don&#8217;t try to become what you are not.</p>
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		<title>By: wkhang</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2008/12/28/pakistan-and-india/comment-page-1/#comment-12005</link>
		<dc:creator>wkhang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kami,
Thats how you look, its okay, thats how you think, its okay, thats how you react, its okay, we are positive nation and we do reply you in positive action...So you write what you think and we write what what is right.

As per you, 

&quot; Indeed Pakistan is like a bone which the rest of the world can neither swallow, throw-up nor flush out &quot;,
 
It does offend me a lot, here is a simple way that how One Pure Pakistani can reply to this offending statement, &quot; Indeed Pakistan is like a bone which the rest of the world can neither eat, throw away nor can break&quot;.

Kami,

Dear you do not have any idea what kind of people we are, if you are kind of mix nationality which I am sure you are (No Offence), Just a few glimps for you about who turst us and why they trust us:

•We are recognized by our hard work into more then 35 countries.
•We are recognized by our force and honesty into whole Arab and  western countries.
•We are providing defense training to more than 15 countries in this world.
•Our forces are one of the toughest forces in this world.
•The Saudian kings pvt guards are us, we provide training to Defense Force of Qater, UAE, Srilanka, Malaysia , Taiwan, Sudan, Africa etc
•In Bahrain 45 % are in Police, Army and 20 % are pvt guard of Kings.
•In Qater 25 % are in Police, Army and 15% are pvt guard of Kings.
•Same in Oman, Saudia, Dubai and other Arab countries

Alhamdulillah we are Muslim and we believe that we have some problems at the moment which InshAllah will be resolved soon but its not mean we will remain like this all the time.

As per that Kassab Guy don’t you worry about him, he is not one of us nor I guess he is Indian but for sure one of those people who wants a war between these two countries and most probably he is one of those people who wants to disturb the peace of this region. 

Remember twin towers went down in answer of that three countries bombarded and destabilized, who knows some one like them they want us to be destabilized.

We are strong one Nation like one family, we may have different views and thoughts but yep when the time come we can and will prove it.

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/tree
http://air16.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kami,<br />
Thats how you look, its okay, thats how you think, its okay, thats how you react, its okay, we are positive nation and we do reply you in positive action&#8230;So you write what you think and we write what what is right.</p>
<p>As per you, </p>
<p>&quot; Indeed Pakistan is like a bone which the rest of the world can neither swallow, throw-up nor flush out &quot;,</p>
<p>It does offend me a lot, here is a simple way that how One Pure Pakistani can reply to this offending statement, &quot; Indeed Pakistan is like a bone which the rest of the world can neither eat, throw away nor can break&quot;.</p>
<p>Kami,</p>
<p>Dear you do not have any idea what kind of people we are, if you are kind of mix nationality which I am sure you are (No Offence), Just a few glimps for you about who turst us and why they trust us:</p>
<p>•We are recognized by our hard work into more then 35 countries.<br />
•We are recognized by our force and honesty into whole Arab and  western countries.<br />
•We are providing defense training to more than 15 countries in this world.<br />
•Our forces are one of the toughest forces in this world.<br />
•The Saudian kings pvt guards are us, we provide training to Defense Force of Qater, UAE, Srilanka, Malaysia , Taiwan, Sudan, Africa etc<br />
•In Bahrain 45 % are in Police, Army and 20 % are pvt guard of Kings.<br />
•In Qater 25 % are in Police, Army and 15% are pvt guard of Kings.<br />
•Same in Oman, Saudia, Dubai and other Arab countries</p>
<p>Alhamdulillah we are Muslim and we believe that we have some problems at the moment which InshAllah will be resolved soon but its not mean we will remain like this all the time.</p>
<p>As per that Kassab Guy don’t you worry about him, he is not one of us nor I guess he is Indian but for sure one of those people who wants a war between these two countries and most probably he is one of those people who wants to disturb the peace of this region. </p>
<p>Remember twin towers went down in answer of that three countries bombarded and destabilized, who knows some one like them they want us to be destabilized.</p>
<p>We are strong one Nation like one family, we may have different views and thoughts but yep when the time come we can and will prove it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.islam-qa.com/en/tree" rel="nofollow">http://www.islam-qa.com/en/tree</a><br />
<a href="http://air16.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://air16.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: kaami</title>
		<link>http://lahore.metblogs.com/2008/12/28/pakistan-and-india/comment-page-1/#comment-12002</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the present day and age you have to understand that everyone tries to play to the gallery. After the dramatic Bombay episode the Indian govt had to play for the media, had to put forward a brave face and atleast look like they were taking some Israel like action. But the irony facing them is that they are not Israel and Pakistan is still not a &quot;lame&quot; Arab country (millitary wise). Also, Iam not a great fan of this indecisive &quot;Manmohan&quot; government who came to power with a surprise victory in the last elections. For more than two crucial years they literally sat on the good work of &quot;Wajpaee / Mush&quot; for the normailization of relations between the two countries. The train was moving forward with great speed, when all of a sudden it ran out of steam and lost direction. May be Congress was waiting for change in Pakistan, anyway that strategy didn&#039;t work, the extremists on both sides have played their cards and we are back to square one. Strangely not long ago we were talking about free travel for Kashmiris on both sides of control line, and now we have this show boating.

On the Pakistan side there is an interesting mindset change amongst the populace. There is a serene realization after the transition that, we are going no where, we have exhausted all options, turned our backs on development, growth and enlightenment. So now if India attacks, let’s unite and fight it and take it down with us. I guess we are in a grip of a collective suicidal mentality; we all have explosives attached to our bodies so nobody dare touch us. Indeed Pakistan is like a bone which the rest of the world can neither swallow, throw-up nor flush out.

Everyone, including &quot;us&quot; knows that this country is being eaten from inside, as the fanatics grow stronger the educated and progressive go deeper into the quagmire of ignorance, corruption, indecision, denial and misplaced idealism. Everyone likes to be seen to be taking some action but the fact is that even the chemo is not working, as time passes we grow more immune and settle comfortably with our crazy terrorists and shrewd thief’s.

Meanwhile, the poor father of poor Qassaab cries and says that, “He is my son” but nobody wants to believe him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the present day and age you have to understand that everyone tries to play to the gallery. After the dramatic Bombay episode the Indian govt had to play for the media, had to put forward a brave face and atleast look like they were taking some Israel like action. But the irony facing them is that they are not Israel and Pakistan is still not a &quot;lame&quot; Arab country (millitary wise). Also, Iam not a great fan of this indecisive &quot;Manmohan&quot; government who came to power with a surprise victory in the last elections. For more than two crucial years they literally sat on the good work of &quot;Wajpaee / Mush&quot; for the normailization of relations between the two countries. The train was moving forward with great speed, when all of a sudden it ran out of steam and lost direction. May be Congress was waiting for change in Pakistan, anyway that strategy didn&#8217;t work, the extremists on both sides have played their cards and we are back to square one. Strangely not long ago we were talking about free travel for Kashmiris on both sides of control line, and now we have this show boating.</p>
<p>On the Pakistan side there is an interesting mindset change amongst the populace. There is a serene realization after the transition that, we are going no where, we have exhausted all options, turned our backs on development, growth and enlightenment. So now if India attacks, let’s unite and fight it and take it down with us. I guess we are in a grip of a collective suicidal mentality; we all have explosives attached to our bodies so nobody dare touch us. Indeed Pakistan is like a bone which the rest of the world can neither swallow, throw-up nor flush out.</p>
<p>Everyone, including &quot;us&quot; knows that this country is being eaten from inside, as the fanatics grow stronger the educated and progressive go deeper into the quagmire of ignorance, corruption, indecision, denial and misplaced idealism. Everyone likes to be seen to be taking some action but the fact is that even the chemo is not working, as time passes we grow more immune and settle comfortably with our crazy terrorists and shrewd thief’s.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the poor father of poor Qassaab cries and says that, “He is my son” but nobody wants to believe him.</p>
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		<title>By: paknation</title>
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		<dc:creator>paknation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post by Author, very balanced view....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post by Author, very balanced view&#8230;.</p>
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