Madressah reforms

With reference to article titled ‘failure of madressah reform and its costs‘ written by Kamal Siddiqi (9 July 07) [printed in The News, Lahore)
The article is one of the more balanced approaches towards this highly important issue as both sides were given due importance and criticized in a logical and practical manner.
In addition to what Mr Siddiqi has said, one important aspect that needs to be understood is that the students from these very madressahs are the ones who end up giving away sermons at almost each and every mosque all around Pakistan. This way, not only religious knowledge but varying opinions get to spread across all the stratas of the society. Checking what is being taught becomes very necessary but at the same time, this ‘regulation’ becomes understandably dangerous for Islam, as pointed out in the article.
It is a pity that most of our middle class never will send their children to madressahs for some very valid and good reasons; the core basics of education as opposed to schooling are normally absent from these religious schools

270 Comments so far

  1. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 4:16 am

    NINI you are elevating the status of MR INDIAN.

  2. Nini (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 4:21 am

    I did not know he even have a status.

  3. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 6:59 am

    since when pakis started associating themselves with arabs, turkish and central asian invaders. You pakis should never forget what you are. You were those hindus who converted to islam due to one of the two ‘S’: Sword or Semen. Sword is self-explanatory. I don’t want to explain the other ‘S’. All other hindus who refused to convert are the ones who still are hindus. No hindu ever converted willingly. Proof: In so called 1000 yrs of islamic rule, the % of low caste in india never changed. Shouldn’t they have converted to ‘superior’ islam en masse, escaping from the caste system. What prevented them during the ‘great’ islamic rule. Plus many islamic surnames are all upper caste hindu surnames like Bajwa, Patel etc.
    Islam is the only religion where people hate their own roots, or are made to hate it, in order to prove themselve as street cred muslim.

    I can however understand why pakis take pride while reading about heroic deeds of invaders. Since they have nothing to take pride in, live in ‘glorious’ history of those who **** their mothers at sometime.

  4. Opee (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 9:31 am

    Damnit, you Hindus hate what not. See the list. You guys need a life.

  5. Opee (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 9:36 am

    Show me a single site by a muslim where you find such a huge list where they fingerpoint and say we hate him and him and him and him and him and every single person in the world! :S Bullocks.

  6. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 2:49 pm

    MR INDIAN you need to see a vet may be he can help you out.

  7. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 3:30 pm

    How about following websites to prove glorious islam and its automated bots followers:

    www . faithfreedom .org
    www . jihadwatch .org
    www . dhimmiwatch .org
    www . thereligionofpeace .com
    www . muslimsout .org
    www . littlegreenfootballs .com

    half of the sites are banned in many islam countries for fear of exposure.

    Plus there are any more which I am not aware of. I challange any other religion to have so many websites dedicated to exposing them. Masha-allah.

  8. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 3:36 pm

    Muslims are really peace loving, where peace is defined as wordld converting to islam.
    Teacher, I want to go London next month. I want bomb, big bomb in
    London, again. I want make jihad!”
    “What?” I exclaimed. Another student raised both hands and shouted:
    “Me too! Me too!”
    Other students applauded those who had just articulated what many of
    them were thinking…”
    That’s how Ed Husain records his experience in the Saudi Arabian
    school where he had taken up a teaching assignment after embracing
    radical Islam. It was the day after the 7/7 suicide bombings in London
    that killed 52 commuters and Ed Husain, his faith in radical Islam by
    then dwindling rapidly after experiencing life in Saudi Arabia, was
    hoping to hear his students denounce the senseless killings. Instead,
    he heard a ringing endorsement of jihad and senseless slaughter in the
    name of Islam.
    Disillusioned, Ed Husain returned to London and penned his revealing
    account in The Islamist – Why I joined radical Islam in Britain, what
    I saw inside and why I left. Debunking the lib-left intelligentsia’s
    explanation that deprivation, frustration and alienation among
    immigrant Muslims in Britain are responsible for the surge in jihadi
    fervour, Ed Husain writes:
    “Many Muslims enjoyed a better lifestyle in non-Muslim Britain than
    they did in Muslim Saudi Arabia… All my talk of ummah seemed so
    juvenile now. It was only in the comfort of Britain that Islamists
    could come out with such radical utopian slogans as one government,
    one ever expanding country, for one Muslim nation. The racist reality
    of the Arab psyche would never accept black and white people as
    equal… I was appalled by the imposition of Wahhabism in the public
    realm, something I had implicitly sought as an Islamist…”
    So, what does an Islamist seek? The reams of rubbish churned out by
    bogus activists and windbag columnists desperately seeking to
    rationalise crimes committed in the name of Islam, ranging from the
    ethnic cleansing of the Kashmir Valley to the Mumbai bombings, from
    the attack on Parliament House in New Delhi to the destruction of the
    World Trade Center twin towers in New York, from the horrific assault
    on human dignity by the Taliban in Afghanistan to the nauseating
    anti-Semitism of the regime in Iran, cannot explain either the core
    idea of Islamism or what motivates Islamists. For that, we have to go
    through the teachings of Hasan al-Banna, the original Islamist and
    progenitor of the Muslim Brotherhood, but for whom and which perhaps
    we would have been spared the terror that stalks us today.
    Hasan al-Banna’s articulation of Islamism in the 1930s, distilled from
    complex theological interpretations of Islam, was at once simple
    enough for even illiterate Muslims to understand and sinister in its
    implications when seen in the context of what we are witnessing today:
    “The Quran is our Constitution. Jihad is our way. Martyrdom is our
    desire.” Imagined grievances and manufactured rage came decades later,
    as faux justification for adopting this three-sentence injunction that
    erases the line separating the spiritual from the temporal and giving
    Islam a political dimension in the modern world, thus expanding the
    theatre of conflict beyond the sterile sands of Arabia.
    Hasan al-Banna died a nasty death when he was murdered in 1949,
    apparently in retaliation of the assassination of Egypt’s then Prime
    Minister, Mahmud Fahmi Naqrashi, but the seed he had planted in his
    lifetime was to grow into a giant poison tree, watered and nourished
    by Sayyid Qutub (whose tract, Ma’alim fi-l-Tariq was interpreted as
    treasonous, fetching him the death sentence in 1966) which over the
    years has spread its roots and branches, first across Arabia and then
    to Muslim majority countries; so potent is that tree’s life force, its
    seeds, carried by the blistering wind that blows from the Mashreq,
    have now begun to sprout in countries as disparate as Denmark and
    India, Turkey and Malaysia, changing demographic profiles and
    unsettling societies.
    The world chose to ignore subsequent events and, like those who
    clamour for a gentler, accommodative approach to Islamism today by
    pushing for compromise over conflict, ‘enlightened’ scholars and
    public affairs commentators rationalised Anwar Sadat’s assassination
    by Islamists on October 6, 1981. Even Egypt erred in setting free
    scores of conspirators, including a certain Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri.
    Similarly, the ‘Islamic Revolution’ in Iran with its blood-soaked
    consequences was hailed as a “people’s victory” over Shah Reza
    Pehalvi’s dictatorial regime. For Europe, which now is fast turning
    into Eurabia, it was business as usual – Iran’s oil swamped out
    rational analyses. If any country had the farsight to sense the danger
    signals, it was, ironically so, Egypt which continues to remain wary
    of Iran, not least because of its export of rabid Islamism. That
    Tehran has riled Cairo by naming a street after Sadat’s assassin,
    Khalid Islambouli, is only of partial significance.
    It was in the immediate aftermath of the Soviet invasion of
    Afghanistan that Islamism acquired a new dimension and a vicious edge
    when it was coupled with Wahaabism, Saudi Arabia’s severely austere
    version of Sunni Islam. Arab nationalism, which was unencumbered by
    Islamism till then, became an expression of faith in radical Islamism.
    In what passes for Palestinian territories, the intifada was born and
    while the popularity of Yasser Arafat’s largely secular (which
    explained his hugely corrupt ways) PLO began to decline, Hamas, led by
    its paraplegic spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, began its
    murderous march which has culminated with Gaza Strip being declared
    ‘Hamastan’. Yassin was killed by the Israelis for inspiring young
    Palestinians to blow themsleves up in buses, restaurants and markets,
    but that has not stalled Hamas or weakened it as an Islamist
    In Lebanon, the Hizbullah is now facing competition from Fatah-al
    Islam in Palestinian refugee camps. In Britain, Hizb ut-Tahrir is
    seducing young Muslims like Ed Husain with its acid message of
    intolerance and bigotry. In India, we have the Jamaat-e-Islami and the
    Tablighi Jamaat. The Deobandis are not to be scoffed at.
    To neutralise the three-sentence injunction of Hasan al-Banna, we need
    more than a ‘War on Terror’. We need to launch an assault on the idea
    that motivates terrorists. There is no scope for accommodation, nor is
    there any reason to capitulate or strike a compromise.

  9. Opee (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

    Hello.. Mr. Indian.. I asked a question. Stop wagging your tail infront of me without a certain reason! Give me a list will you please. Just like the hugggggggge one Hindu Terrorists have here in the site I’ve just shown above.

    And be quick in googling, will you please? You can wag your tail afterwards.

  10. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 5:12 pm

    I have asked so many questions about islam and hatred preached in quran, which has been left unanswered. So why should I oblige.

  11. Chandu Raam (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 5:14 pm

    @indian, Morakh tou kion apni shamat bula raha ha.

  12. iblees (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 5:54 pm

    17 useless posts in last 3 days, very interesting, but pathetic at the same level, i thought the racist troll will post at least 50 pieces of junk; the moronic arguments of the racist troll are getting even lower than the ones in jerry springer show.

    Again, what we know, the moron is even lower in comprehension than we originally thought… no, wait, he is not a moron, it will be an improvement for him he will become a moron.

    here’s another prediction:
    * racist troll will be flamed and tempted to post more junk after reading this. (this prediction can never go wrong!!!)

    what kind of replies we’re expecting:
    * moronic blah
    * racist blah blah
    * blah blah blah

    the interesting thing is no matter how hard you screw the sadomasochist racist troll, he will be back for more, seems more like a case of Text fetish.

  13. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 7:35 pm

    Islam is a race !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Same ol’ ad hominem style employed by muzzies to divert the attention.

  14. iblees (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 7:52 pm

    return of racist, quicker than i thought…

    the racist has shown again qualities of:
    – ADD (attention seeking disorder)
    see how quickly he posts back trying to get attention with lower than tabloid standard words
    – dyslexia & learning disabilities
    unable to comprehend his (or its?) previous words
    – Living in denail (I AM NOT A RACIST attitude)
    the proof is all over this thread
    – Sexual frustration and social isolation
    visible from selection of junk material
    – Cultural orphanage
    going against his own roots, lowest level of patheticness
    – Moronic Intellect
    Jerry Springer is better Ali Sina, but what the hell, consume scum of tabloid junk

    p.s. see how quick my earlier prediction got true!

  15. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 8:12 pm

    Islamists definition of racist: Anyone who points out the cruelty of islam and the horrible acts committed by muslims, in the name of religion.

    Thanks to muslims, no one takes the word racism seriously anymore. In fact Robert Spencers of the world take it as a badge of honor if muslims call them racist – a sure sign of defeat of muslims.

  16. Opee (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

    Indian…. List? :P
    Ok ok, not ‘thaaaaaaaaaat’ long but at least try. Don’t loose heart. Don’t tell me your googling paaarz have diminished.

  17. iblees (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 8:26 pm

    could there be any more pathetic way of self-declared win other than see your post not the last post in the thread?

    ladies and gentlemen, witness the sick mentality as the racist will reply again.

  18. TREETOP (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 9:16 pm

    IBLEES thy name is JERRY SPRINGER.Both are interesting.

  19. iblees (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 9:46 pm

    be my guest.

    Sshh…Wait and see how the racist dog will return with his tail between legs.

    “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.” — Mark Twain

    p.s. probably mark twain came across some ungrateful loser like the racist troll as well.

  20. Opee (unregistered) on July 23rd, 2007 @ 10:05 pm

    … probably on his visit to India. :)

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